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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

Currently, there are 26 Active FAQ's:

Q. Where is my account? I can't log in!
Q. How can I upload a new song?
Q. What are the basic upload rules?
Q. Which file formats can I upload?
Q. Allowed song encoding: Anything*
Q. I want to upload "missing" game tunes!
Q. Adding a new artist?
Q. How is the lock time calculated?
Q. What do these song statuses mean?
Q. Why are some songs banned?
Q. Is it possible to move a song up or down the queue? I gotta go to a meeting!
Q. How can I automate making requests?
Q. How can I help correct duplicated songs, or songs with incorrect/missing information?
Q. I want to download that tune!
Q. Do you have some hints about how to use tags?
Q. Where can I change my flag?
Q. I heard that there are some flags which are not mentioned in ISO 3166...
Q. Where can I find a current list of all smilies?
Q. Where can I find a list of all BBCode commands, along with examples?
Q. Did you know that... ?
Q. What happened to the old Nectarine? Where is my old account?
Q. I wanna chat!
Q. Is there an API for Necta?
Q. What to do when song information is wrong?
Q. How can I add or change artists to a tune, or edit artist info?
Q. HE MAN? Confirmasse? AMIGAAAA? What the hell does it mean?

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Q. Where is my account? I can't log in!

If you had an account on the old Nectarine site (scenemusic.net), contact one of the administrators with your email and username, and we will set you up with a new password.


Added by flagadmin (Last Updated: 3 weeks, 1 day) [Top]

Q. How can I upload a new song?

So, you want to upload a new song? No problems, here some tips on what to do:
1) Check if the song already exists in the Nectarine database. Be careful with soundtrack from demo: sometimes the name of the song is not the same that the name of the demo (e.g.: soundtrack from "Lifeforce" is called "Memento Mori". Please research both, demo name and music file name.)
2) Search for the artist in the Nectarine database (Search page)
3) Once you have reached the artist page, you will find a "Upload a new song for the artist" link.
4) Fill the form (Allowed song encoding: Anything* can help)
5) Wait for approval from a moderator. You will receive a PM when a moderator will have checked your upload. If your upload is rejected, you can always ask more information to the moderator who reject your tune.

Note: If the artist of your song does not exist, please look at: Adding a new artist?


Added by flagLittleWhite (Last Updated: 3 years, 4 months) [Top]

Q. What are the basic upload rules?

Here are some things to keep in mind when you decide to upload a track:
- We don't need each and every tune of an author, no, not even from Skaven. Don't upload whole collections if they vary in quality, just keep the best tracks.
- You can directly upload most formats. If your module is rejected, you need to encode it yourself. See also: Which file formats can I upload?
- When encoding to a lossy codec, use at least 192kbps or higher. See also: Allowed song encoding: Anything*
- Looped tunes have to be faded out after the loop point. Short tunes (shorter than a minute or two) can be looped twice before fading out. Nectarine's streamer can handle module looping. Currently only moderators can enable module looping.
- Check if the tune already exists in our database. Try to use as few keywords as possible when searching, so that you don't miss possible alternative spellings or incomplete song titles.
- Don't upload a tune again if it just needs re-encoding. Get in touch with the moderators to resolve this issue.
- Fill out as many fields as possible. Try to find out the song platform, release year, if it was used in a demo, etc... All this normally doesn't take longer than a few minutes and helps us keeping up the database integrity!
- Cut off silence at the beginning and the end of the tracks. If your source file is MP3, use something like mp3DirectCut to prevent re-encoding (and thus quality loss). When rendering modules in XMPlay, enable the "trim ending silence" option. An alternative to mp3DirectCut is musiCutter - although it just has a very non-visual and basic GUI, it has the advantage that it can also be used to join several files and it also works with Ogg Vorbis.
- Always use the latest version of the player / plugin you're encoding from (f.e. always use the latest version of ASAP to encode POKEY tunes or the latest version of XMPlay to render IT modules) and your encoder (f.e. LAME).
- Do not upload commercial tracks! We need the permission of the original author and if we get it, we only accept commercial tracks by renowned demoscene musicians that are still somewhat related to the demoscene (f.e. Purple Motion's Musicdisk). However, just because a person is an (ex-)demoscener, that does not automatically mean that we want to have all their music from commercial side projects on Nectarine.

All this together can be done in less than 5 minutes and helps us improving the quality of this radio station!


Added by flagSaga_Musix (Last Updated: 2 weeks, 5 days) [Top]

Q. Which file formats can I upload?

Any format FFmpeg, BASS, OpenMPT or Hively Tracker support. Here are the most common formats, but by no means everything: mp3, ogg, mp4, aac, flac, opus, xm, mod, s3m, it, mtm, ahx, 669, med, okt, [...]

Please refrain from uploading WAVs if you want lossless, convert to FLAC beforehand.


Added by flagElrinth (Last Updated: 2 years) [Top]

Q. Allowed song encoding: Anything*

*= unless rejected

The streamer can handle pretty much all audio formats. Re-encoding lossy audio formats will not improve sound quality, in fact, it will create even more compression artifacts. Don't do it. If you need a recommendation: Use Ogg Vorbis with a target bitrate of about 192 kbps. If you want to upload mp3, please use a decent encoder with 320 kbps. Yes, it sucks that much.


Added by flagDanger (Last Updated: 2 years) [Top]

Q. I want to upload "missing" game tunes!

Nectarine is a demoscene-music radio. Some tunes were used in games and generally would not qualify here (as opposed to CVGM). For a variety of reasons, though, certain songs like the first module ever (Amegas [title]) are already in Nectarine. Banning existing game songs in order to enforce some consistency is deemed too controversial. So, we have the following working compromise: *new* game tunes are not accepted, unless there is a clear, strong demoscene relationship. An example of a game tune that would be accepted is Dimension 2012, because there is a Pouet production associated with it.


Added by flagsqrmax (Last Updated: 2 weeks, 5 days) [Top]

Q. Adding a new artist?

Remember that the artist must be connected to the demoscene (wrote music for a demo, took part in a demoscene music competiton, wrote music for an old demoscene-related game, etc).
Mind also that if you intend to upload some contents of an audio CD created by an artist, you must ask his/her permission. Joy is sour when it's not fair.

If the artist doesn't fit our requirements, he might still be suitable for our sister radio CVGM.

Just as before adding a new song, please check that the artist you want to add doesn't exist in the Nectarine database. Sometimes the same artist is using different nicknames: try searching for all of them you know. Especially for MOD artists, AMP is a nice help here.

Once you are completely sure that the artist doesn't exist in the Nectarine database, go to the artist list ("Artists") and scroll to the bottom of the page: there you will see a link to suggest an artist.
Fill in the form, and wait for a moderator to accept or reject your suggestion.

If you are too lazy to go on the artist list, the link is the following: Suggest new artist


Added by flagLittleWhite (Last Updated: 2 weeks, 5 days) [Top]

Q. How is the lock time calculated?

Here is some information about the lock time calculation:

* The song's rating is the main driving force behind lock times. The model uses an S-like curve that tends to benefit higher voted songs, and penalize lower voted songs, when compared to the older linear function we had before. In a nutshell: good songs get shorter lock times, and not-as-good songs get longer lock times.

* A song with very few votes will get a lock time similar to that of a reasonably good song. This property prevents a single vote of 1 or 5 stars from having too much influence over the lock time. This can be described as the "lack of quorum" or "benefit of the doubt" effect. Note this effect will fade away rather quickly as more votes come in, so make sure your voice is heard and vote. In a nutshell: too few votes will result in comparatively lenient (but not *too* lenient) lock times.

* A shorter song will get a shorter lock time than a longer song, all other things being equal. This means that for long songs to get lock times comparable to that of short songs, long songs must have better votes. In a nutshell: long songs have to be worth it.

The least possible lock time is about 24 days. The longest possible lock time is about 200 days.

For more details, see [thread]1092[/thread] and [thread]541[/thread].


Added by flagsqrmax (Last Updated: 4 years, 1 month) [Top]

Q. What do these song statuses mean?

They determine whether the song can be queued and why (or why not).

Songs that can be queued have these statuses:
Active - Everything is okay with this tune!
Needs Re-Encoding - This tune can be queued, but somebody told us it has bad quality.

Songs that cannot be queued have these statuses:
Inactive - The tune was disabled for some reason, and the moderator who disabled it was too lazy to state the actual reason.
Uploaded - This tune has just been uploaded, and its fate is yet to be decided.
Not verified - This is a fairly rare status. Used during mass uploads (when we restored data from early Nectarine backup, in example).
Rejected - A moderator rejected this tune during the approval stage.
Removed By Request - The musician who made this tune asked us to disable it for some reason.
Reported - Something seems wrong with the tune.
Banned - An administrator decided that this once approved tune does not deserve to be here. The decision is usually final and irreversible.
Moved - The tune was moved to an other radio station (CVGM, for example) and is inactive here.
Dupe - This tune is a clone of an existing one.
Jingle - This tune is a jingle, and thus cannot be queued.
Kaput - The radio engine cannot parse the music file correctly. Something is wrong with it.


Added by flagMyO (Last Updated: 4 years) [Top]

Q. Why are some songs banned?

From time to time, low quality tunes may be banned on Nectarine. The main argument is that if a song is excessively bad, or if it has an extremely low vote average with many votes, then playing it on Nectarine simply irritates most people. Driving people away from Nectarine is not the point of the radio, hence the banning. This shouldn't be taken personally. For example, some find Oh My Ears hilarious. However, most people find it bad enough that those wanting to listen to this particular tune should consider doing so in private.

For the most part, song banning will be considered on a case-by-case basis. Generally speaking, your best bet at having your voice considered is voting, so vote!


Added by flagsqrmax (Last Updated: 4 years, 1 month) [Top]

Q. Is it possible to move a song up or down the queue? I gotta go to a meeting!

No.
But you can always miss your meeting.


Added by flagSaga_Musix (Last Updated: 4 years, 1 month) [Top]

Q. How can I automate making requests?

Automation of requests is very discouraged. Please give those tunes the personal attention they deserve!


Added by flagsqrmax (Last Updated: 2 weeks, 4 days) [Top]

Q. How can I help correct duplicated songs, or songs with incorrect/missing information?

We do not pretend that all of our database is correct at 100%, and some information on song/artist/group can be missing or wrong. If you have noticed some errors, you are welcome to help us to get it right. This can be done in multiple ways:

- For song info, you can edit the info yourself using the "[Edit information]" link. It will be checked by a moderator later.
- Post in the [thread]184[/thread] or [thread]189[/thread] dedicated threads.
- Send an PM to one of the moderators.

Please, avoid to post it as comment of the song, because moderators are not checking every comments for every songs (so the update will be very delayed)

When reporting such error, if possible, please show us the original web page where the information can be found.

Thank you very much for your support


Added by flagLittleWhite (Last Updated: 4 years, 1 month) [Top]

Q. I want to download that tune!

Some songs have download links in their info or profile (usually through Soundcloud, Pouet.net or other sources).

Many tracks are missing download links. However, you can search for them on such websites as Modland, Modarchive, Amiga Music Preservation, Remix64, Remix.kwed.org and elsewhere online.

Speaking of that – please help us improve song information to make sure everybody gets it!

If you've found a good download link, you can use the "Edit Information" link that is on every song page to submit the download link. Please put the download link in the Comment field (not the Info field!).


Added by flagSaga_Musix (Last Updated: 2 weeks, 4 days) [Top]

Q. Do you have some hints about how to use tags?

Tags should be used to group songs that cannot be queried in any other way. So, for example, using tags to aggregate songs by the same group, or by the same artist, or for some platform doesn't make sense. Similarly, demo name tags shouldn't be used. Be mindful that tags cannot have spaces. And search for existing tags before adding new ones. It's not cool to add "DOS", "MSDOS" and "MS-DOS". Similarly, "earrape", "awful", "reallybad" and so on should simply be "crap".


Added by flagsqrmax (Last Updated: 4 years, 1 month) [Top]

Q. Where can I change my flag?

You can change your flag by going into the menu called 'Edit My profile' located at the top right of the webpage.
The flags code is a 2 characters code, that is corresponding to this table: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Officially_assigned_code_elements


Added by flagLittleWhite (Last Updated: 2 weeks, 5 days) [Top]

Q. I heard that there are some flags which are not mentioned in ISO 3166...

Yes, there are some.
Some country codes are available for countries which do not appear in the list mentioned above or for those who want to look cool:
flag eu
flag fam (uses the colors of famfamfam site)
flag wales
flag england
flag scotland
flag catalonia

Mind that for these codes you need to use the name which is placed by the flag, not any abbreviation (example: if you need Catalonian flag, type "catalonia" in the Country code input field).

(from the profile of userKoekkenbakker – now defunct, sadly)


Added by flagMyO (Last Updated: 2 weeks, 4 days) [Top]

Q. Where can I find a current list of all smilies?

The list of smileys can be found on this page. Have fun


Added by flagLittleWhite (Last Updated: 4 years, 1 month) [Top]

Q. Where can I find a list of all BBCode commands, along with examples?

You will find the list of tags in this thread: forum BBCode and Smilies


Added by flagLittleWhite (Last Updated: 1 month) [Top]

Q. Did you know that... ?

- You can see user's role
If you move your mouse over user link such as this flagDanger, you can see if it's "user", "staff" or "admin".

(Note: It doesn't work on user links in "The team" section. Those are special links.)

- You can connect user's profile with artist's
Just contact any moderator to do it for you!:)

- Stream is down songs:
1: They Stole a Million
2: Forbidden Forest (Spider Surfin')

- Various bits of information:
Statistics: flagNerdN.
More statistics: flagPhlubby_Gnome.
Even more statistics: flagsqrmax.

Emoticons, oneliner info, bits of history: Koekenbakker.
More info: flagTerrasque.
Assorted photos: flagElrinth.
Nectarine banners: flagmaep.


Added by flagDanger (Last Updated: 4 years, 1 month) [Top]

Q. What happened to the old Nectarine? Where is my old account?

In the past, Nectarine was coded and maintained by Chris "Yes" Le Sage, the platform was resurrected several times after hard disk failures. In mid-2008, a script kiddie decided to hack the last incarnation of Yes' work, Nectarine v6, abusing a security hole in one of its components. That way, the whole server was wiped out. Sadly, Yes' backup HDD also died a few days before this, so all backups were lost. Luckily, most of the data from the HDD could be restored by professionals, however this only includes the song database. Hence, your old accounts, statistics, etc. do not exist anymore. Additionally, after this incident, Yes decided not to work on Nectarine anymore, so a completely new and fresh team is bringing you the best of demoscene music now!


Added by flagSaga_Musix (Last Updated: 7 years, 5 months) [Top]

Q. I wanna chat!

We also hang out on IRC! Check #nectarine on [url]irc.esper.net[/url].


Added by flagSaga_Musix (Last Updated: 7 years) [Top]

Q. Is there an API for Necta?

Sort of. Check out forum Necta Web API for more details.


Added by flagStarchaser (Last Updated: 1 month) [Top]

Q. What to do when song information is wrong?

Please use the "Edit Information" link that you can find on each song page allowing you to change various stuff. The changes have to be approved afterwards by a moderator. If you edit a song multiple times in a row without approvement by a moderator in between, make sure to do all changes you did everytime again.
The Link "Add Links" allows you to add various additional links as Youtube, Spotify, CVGM, CSDb,...
After adding links, these have to get approved by a moderator.

For things you can't do with these two links please use the thread
[thread]184[/thread] to post the wanted changes and link to the track.


Added by flaganni (Last Updated: 4 years) [Top]

Q. How can I add or change artists to a tune, or edit artist info?

If you want to change the artist on a given track or want to add a second (or third,...) artist to a track:
Open the song page, click on the "Edit Information" Link and select the artist(s) in the dropdown box. If you want to select multiple, hold down the "Control" or "Command" key on your keyboard.
After selecting them click on "Submit Data" and wait for a moderator to approve the changes.

If you want to change the info of an artist (e.g. changing country or name), please use this thread and give the needed information. It will then be added/fixed by a moderator.


Added by flaganni (Last Updated: 4 years) [Top]

Q. HE MAN? Confirmasse? AMIGAAAA? What the hell does it mean?

Ah, I see you wish to get a glimpse of the demoscene catchphrases and references. =) Ask the locals in the Oneliner – they’ll gladly enlighten you.

Most of these are popular silly sayings or references to other songs, such as He-Man. And we really love Amiga for reasons.

If you wish to learn even more, you might try skimming through the Enlighten the ignorant newbie, perhaps? thread on the Pouet.net BBS.


Added by flagMyO (Last Updated: 2 weeks, 4 days) [Top]

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